So finally we come to it.

Enertrag UK has actually gone and done it and submitted plans to destroy another part of our beautiful countryside in the quest for a quick buck! Now everyone who knows right from wrong (perhaps even the low-life John Ward) and we must stand up and be counted by bombarding ELDC and the media by opposing this looming disaster without reserve.

I can't understand how such a blatant mis-use of a beautiful area can even be contemplated by anyone with a brain or an ounce of conscience unless of course they are getting paid off to shaft the rest of us. The political debate is changing and evermore decent people who increasingly understand what is at stake here are letting local authorities and what's left of our sad Government know what they think about industrial wind farms. More and more people are seeing through the big money "green" agenda for what it is - a scam.

People of Baumber, Edlington, Hemingby, Wispington and even the sleepwalkers (it won’t effect me brigade) in Minting must stand up and voice anger at the creeping destruction of this place we call home that has now moved a step closer. Wardy and his ilk are on borrowed time if they think this will stand, it will not. Many, many people I have spoken with in the past few weeks are genuinely disturbed that plans have been submitted despite the obviously marginal (dare I say it stupid) location Enertrag UK and their overseas parent company has chosen.

We can only ensure by making our voices heard to ELDC that a line has been drawn in the sand and the Vale of Lincoln is not up for grabs, not up for selling off to crooks and men of no morals by land owners who I stupidly thought were the stewards of our countryside and who should protect our fine landscapes for generations to come.

How wrong I was and how low they have sunk to peddle such lies to "decent” people whose homes will be de-valued and lives ruined for at least a generation. So step forward politicians, step forward planning officers and step forward everyone who would bury this ridiculous plan.

Good luck Enertrag and your very own pet Mr. Ward - you will both need it.

YEP SPOT ON No Industrial Monsters ( in ) Baumbers Yards

N I M B Y

this is the truth Industrial Monsters producing fat profits from our energy bills paid not to develop efficent

renewable energy but lining the pockets of greedy Ward and Lindley.. grunt grunt...

they say the monsters power loads of homes... What 24/7 365 days a year no chance ...

no wind blowing = no power, no or little power when needed + fat profit = big scam = rich ward & enertrag = the green rats....

Hello in the know..

I am deeply shocked that my payments from my electricity bill is being used to subsidise

developers and energy companies like Enertrag

I thought it was for investment in meaningful renewable energy projects not inefficent wind turbines who only

produce energy for roughly at a maximum of 27% of their potential out put.. and for the rest of the time are virtually

useless...

How can this be justified?

I have been led to believe that we need loads of turbines to save the planetand reduce Co2 emmissions is this blatent misinformation ?

Yours ,

hoodwinked and now really upset...

what is going on here is the fact that people who live near these proposed venues for wind turbines are scared that they will lose money on their houses!! I think we should learn to like these as they will help keep this planet in order for when the younger generation grow old, and help towards these people having a future in life!! Anyway i think they look great, there new and different and as long as they are mantained they will be fine..... whats everyones problem? it must just be the sake of losing value on your house and you just say it will runin the countyside where as allot of people think it will make it look better.... get with the times!!!!

Well you may think they look great but I beg to differ, if you think its just about loosing value on property then you havent really looked closely at the real facts..

NO they wont save the planet ,check out the EPAW link on the front page Europe have had turbines for years

read what they have to say...

I guess you wont live near the turbines so you wont possibly suffer from noise, shadow flicker, vibro acoustic disease which results in headaches dizzyness lack of sleep...

And if you like them and are not bothered about preserving the countryside and Industrialising it then i guess

we might as well build houses and factories everywhere have you no soul...

& be possibly driven from your home

It is clear from previous comments that we will always face the fact that some people (no matter how mis-guided) will think a massive steel and fibreglass windfarm amidst beautiful scenery is great. We must also face the fact that most people are ignorant to the realities of turbines that split communities, de-value people's lives and yes have a dramatic impact on the value of thier homes (perhaps the only asset many have left). People who live in rural areas are not ignorant and know better than most the value of the places in which they live, the reason why they remain clean, cared for and managed for the benefit of man and beast. They live there for a reason, they live there because it is unspoilt and free from industry, they live there to breathe and see the sky.

Wind power is a great idea in theory (unproven by anyone to date it has to be said) but a great idea nevertheless. My problem with it is a well documented in that it looks like it is helping to save the planet (look they they are turning on the horizon for all to see) but the sad and grubby truth is that they don't offer anything real to our energy needs, they don't replace conventional power and they don't make a damn bit of difference. They do however pollute beautiful countryside in a sick experiment with the lives of rural people.

Let's use the massive subsidies and build loads of them along the M25, inside cities and on top of high buildings that are already hooked into the grid. Lets put them where people have already built the infrastructure to cope and where they would blend in more easily.

We should not start by industrialising the very last places in our small and crowded islands that remain onspoilt. Get a grip and get them out of our rare and beautiful countryside.

People here seem disproportionately concerned that wind power is too variable to be of any use.

The following information is from the Public Interest Research Centre:

Many of the more developed renewable technologies are

inherently variable in their capacity to supply power.

Furthermore, there is considerable fluctuation in the

demand for energy placed on the power system. Grid

operators are well used to managing these supply and

demand issues, and when the grid is supplied by low

levels of renewable power, this balancing process poses

few problems. The challenge of integrating renewable

energy grows as the proportion of the grid supplied

by renewables grows. However, the application of four

techniques to deal with the variability of renewable energy

can overcome this:

1. Deploy a diverse mix of technologies – some

renewable technologies are highly variable, such as

wind and solar. However, others such as tidal range,

tidal stream and combined heat and power plants

burning biomass are highly predictable. By deploying

a diverse mix of renewables, variability can be reduced

to provide secure and predictable ‘baseload’ power

supply.

2. Geographically disperse power generation – by

situating renewable installations widely across

the country, they can take advantage of different

weather conditions and reduce variability. This

approach can be extended intra-nationally with the

use of interconnectors (cables connecting national

grids). Gregor Czisch of the Potsdam Institute for

Climate Impact Research in Germany has explored

this ‘Supergrid’ approach for Europe. His study

optimised the best possible size and location both of

the renewable infrastructure and connections to areas

of energy demand, finding that “A totally renewable

electricity supply for Europe and its neighbourhood is

possible and affordable.”177

3. Store energy – by expanding pumped storage plants,

developing technologies such as flow batteries,

hydrogen, compressed air storage, and utilising

electric vehicle batteries as distributed storage (vehicleto-

grid power or V2G), we can facilitate much higher

renewable integration – balancing variability with

increased storage capacity.

4. Match demand for energy with supply– the National

Grid currently goes to enormous lengths to ensure that

their supply of energy matches consumer demand.

However, by prioritising and de-prioritising energy

demand using real-time pricing and energy-aware

appliances, it is possible to do the reverse – to shape

significant portions of our energy demand to match

supply. Building on this technique, Mark Barrett

of University College London has created detailed

energy models at UK and European levels that show

how to generate 95% of our electricity and power our

transport system renewably.178

By developing and deploying a combination of these

techniques, alongside a concerted programme of

energy efficiency which sees our overall energy use

drop significantly, we can meet our energy needs with

renewables and cut emissions quickly and securely.

Laura

Your posting is totally commendable well put and reseached..

We have been through out the campaign attempting to draw out these issues which need proper consideration

and debate..

The sad fact is that the reality is a single minded dogmatic approach being slammed through by a very powerful

lobby group the BWEA ... This is to drive at all costs an agressive expansion policy of Wind Turbines where ever

they can regardles of the massive price local communities, the countryside and the consumer have to pay...

Having spent the morning reading the planning application I think the people of Baumber should breath a sigh of relief. If the Baumber wind farm was being submitted by one of the serious wind energy companies (NPower,EON,EDF etc) then we can assume that a much more professional job would have been done. As it is, you have Enertrag who are clearly the keystone cops of the windfarm community. Some of the documentation is of an appalling standard, the lack of genuine insight in the aviation section betrays a staggering lack of understanding and arrogance.