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John Marshall
Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:10:00 GMT
Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Many of you are in the belief that we are near the end of the fossil fuels that we are using to generate electricity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Coal is in plentiful supply, indeed there is more coal on the Alaskan north slope than has been mined in America to date, every continent has supplies of coal and more is being discovered daily. Oil and gas are also in plentiful supply, which belies the price increases which follow the refined output lows not available petroleum. The North Sea still has plentiful supplies, though output there is low due to government tax take and refusal of the oil companies to pay this. If this government was less greedy the North Sea volumes would increase markedly. There are also many places where oil/gas would be found if the relavent licence could be obtained. Offshore drilling in Florida and California has been banned despite the exploration showing the resource to be there. We need the political will to face the facts and the need of humanity for reasonably priced energy. Transportation has the most urgent need for easily carried and replenished fuel and present technology gives us petrol and diesel. Hydrogen is too dangerous to store and does not contain enough energy. My car gives nearly 600 miles to a tankful. The same quantity of hydrogen will give 180 miles, so not a fuel efficient source of power.

Enlightened one
Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:30:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Many of you are in the belief that we are near the end of the fossil fuels that we are using to generate electricity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Coal is in plentiful supply, indeed there is more coal on the Alaskan north slope than has been mined in America to date, every continent has supplies of coal and more is being discovered daily. Oil and gas are also in plentiful supply, which belies the price increases which follow the refined output lows not available petroleum. The North Sea still has plentiful supplies, though output there is low due to government tax take and refusal of the oil companies to pay this. If this government was less greedy the North Sea volumes would increase markedly. There are also many places where oil/gas would be found if the relavent licence could be obtained. Offshore drilling in Florida and California has been banned despite the exploration showing the resource to be there. We need the political will to face the facts and the need of humanity for reasonably priced energy. Transportation has the most urgent need for easily carried and replenished fuel and present technology gives us petrol and diesel. Hydrogen is too dangerous to store and does not contain enough energy. My car gives nearly 600 miles to a tankful. The same quantity of hydrogen will give 180 miles, so not a fuel efficient source of power.

--- John Marshall 

Oh god John! Your right! I see the light!

Oil, coal and gas combined will last forever won't it? Thnak you, you've just solved the energy crisis, I salute you

ELECTRICITY FOR ALL!!!

Derek
Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:38:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

600 miles on petrol/diesel as of NOW. 180 mile on hydrogen as of NOW. Have you heard of technological advancement? Soon enough, hydrogen will be able to travel just as far.

Plus, petrol/diesel releases: CO2. Hydrogen is just water. Yup, just water. Good 'ol H20!

I am not a plastic bag
Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:38:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

600 miles on petrol/diesel as of NOW. 180 mile on hydrogen as of NOW. Have you heard of technological advancement? Soon enough, hydrogen will be able to travel just as far.

Plus, petrol/diesel releases: CO2. Hydrogen is just water. Yup, just water. Good 'ol H20!

--- Derek(guest) 

Yey! You can collect that water too.

Derek
Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:15:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

600 miles on petrol/diesel as of NOW. 180 mile on hydrogen as of NOW. Have you heard of technological advancement? Soon enough, hydrogen will be able to travel just as far.

Plus, petrol/diesel releases: CO2. Hydrogen is just water. Yup, just water. Good 'ol H20!

--- Derek(guest) 

Yey! You can collect that water too.

--- I am not a plastic bag(guest) 

Not really, it that would be terribly hard! (Yes I do realise were trying to make a joke)

John Ward's Conscience
Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:54:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

I make joke, therefore I can't type?? Descarte would be 'spinning' in his grave. Ho ho ho

Tibber
Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:50:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Many of you are in the belief that we are near the end of the fossil fuels that we are using to generate electricity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Coal is in plentiful supply, indeed there is more coal on the Alaskan north slope than has been mined in America to date, every continent has supplies of coal and more is being discovered daily. Oil and gas are also in plentiful supply, which belies the price increases which follow the refined output lows not available petroleum. The North Sea still has plentiful supplies, though output there is low due to government tax take and refusal of the oil companies to pay this. If this government was less greedy the North Sea volumes would increase markedly. There are also many places where oil/gas would be found if the relavent licence could be obtained. Offshore drilling in Florida and California has been banned despite the exploration showing the resource to be there. We need the political will to face the facts and the need of humanity for reasonably priced energy. Transportation has the most urgent need for easily carried and replenished fuel and present technology gives us petrol and diesel. Hydrogen is too dangerous to store and does not contain enough energy. My car gives nearly 600 miles to a tankful. The same quantity of hydrogen will give 180 miles, so not a fuel efficient source of power.

--- John Marshall 

Oh god John! Your right! I see the light!

Oil, coal and gas combined will last forever won't it? Thnak you, you've just solved the energy crisis, I salute you

ELECTRICITY FOR ALL!!!

--- Enlightened one(guest) 

I agree enlightened one, John is a genious, all along I knew something was starring us in the face, but it's taken John to spell it out to me black and white- now I've no shadow of a doubt! Why should oil rocket from a snip over $30 a barrel back in 2004 to over $140 in 2008? I thought it might be down to some sort of geological issue or the idea that more difficulult to source reserves could only come on-line once the value of a barrel was sufficiently high to warrant the expenditure. But it turns out it wasn't any of that! It was the greedy government all along! Those tikes, bet they didn't spend a jot on schools and hospitals either, or subsidising transport...

COCK.

realistic
Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:22:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

wow sarcasm.... John is basically right... yes this Labour Goverment has wasted so much money...

but what is needed is a chohesive energy policy & the turbines aint gonna solve the problem..except line the pockets of a very few ... anybody who has bought into this green ticket really has been made a fool out of ...

Coal is plentiful , & new technology to clean up the emissions is being installed...

The Wind Energy lobby and industry has peddled their mantra and it has been bought hook line and sinker

but there will always be those who just cant accept this and I bet the wind industry pays to have anti wind web sites

monitered so pro wind posting can be made pretending to be jo public.... this industry is very very suspect....

dont trust them.....

I am not a plastic bag
Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:03:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

I agree enlightened one, John is a genious, all along I knew something was starring us in the face, but it's taken John to spell it out to me black and white- now I've no shadow of a doubt! Why should oil rocket from a snip over $30 a barrel back in 2004 to over $140 in 2008? I thought it might be down to some sort of geological issue or the idea that more difficulult to source reserves could only come on-line once the value of a barrel was sufficiently high to warrant the expenditure. But it turns out it wasn't any of that! It was the greedy government all along! Those tikes, bet they didn't spend a jot on schools and hospitals either, or subsidising transport...

COCK.

--- Tibber(guest) 

Cock? Well. That is just not cricket.

And to think, the rest of your post was so well written. Ho ho ho.

Derek
Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:56:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

I agree enlightened one, John is a genious, all along I knew something was starring us in the face, but it's taken John to spell it out to me black and white- now I've no shadow of a doubt! Why should oil rocket from a snip over $30 a barrel back in 2004 to over $140 in 2008? I thought it might be down to some sort of geological issue or the idea that more difficulult to source reserves could only come on-line once the value of a barrel was sufficiently high to warrant the expenditure. But it turns out it wasn't any of that! It was the greedy government all along! Those tikes, bet they didn't spend a jot on schools and hospitals either, or subsidising transport...

COCK.

--- Tibber(guest) 

Cock? Well. That is just not cricket.

And to think, the rest of your post was so well written. Ho ho ho.

--- I am not a plastic bag(guest) 

Wow, how brilliant is this? We've got Santa posting on here!

Now see, where John was being a sceptic and blaming the government for all our problem (although, I agree for the most part). The Oil prices lies solely on the fact IT IS RUNNING OUT. Hence 'Non-renewable sources'...

Wasn't hard to work that one out was it?

Also, this means that we WILL have to rely on the inefficient Solar Power, the miniscule number of sites for Hydrokinetic energy generation and of course the plenty of potential site open for the far more viable (In the UK) Wind Power. When you look at the options, Wind Power wins it really...

John Ward's Conscience
Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:05:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

What...solar power is inefficient, and in the same breath wind power is trumpeted as the saviour as all? Like I've said before, stick a nuclear power plant in...ohhhhh wait!!! There's no water around here.

I

GIVE

UP

Derek
Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:50:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

What...solar power is inefficient, and in the same breath wind power is trumpeted as the saviour as all? Like I've said before, stick a nuclear power plant in...ohhhhh wait!!! There's no water around here.

I

GIVE

UP

--- John Ward's Conscience(guest) 

Solar power in the UK, I read somewhere is 8% efficient... compare that with the sceptic's wind efficiency of 29%..

Also, Nuclear energy isn't renewable.

Objectvist Man
Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:03:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

What...solar power is inefficient, and in the same breath wind power is trumpeted as the saviour as all? Like I've said before, stick a nuclear power plant in...ohhhhh wait!!! There's no water around here.

I

GIVE

UP

--- John Ward's Conscience(guest) 

Solar power in the UK, I read somewhere is 8% efficient... compare that with the sceptic's wind efficiency of 29%..

Also, Nuclear energy isn't renewable.

--- Derek(guest) 

And produces MASSES of toxic waste.

But don't worry people, it becomes harmless after a centrury or so. Its not like we won't run out of suitable places to hide it by then...

John Ward's Conscience
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:08:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wind power is 29% efficient?! That even makes the NHS look good!!!

But as always, sources for numbers or it's just effectively made up. If it's not empirical it's not proof.

Derek
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:25:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wind power is 29% efficient?! That even makes the NHS look good!!!

But as always, sources for numbers or it's just effectively made up. If it's not empirical it's not proof.

--- John Ward's Conscience(guest) 

Hey I'm getting the 29% of the people who hate the turbines and thus is biased to be lower than the true value! Still more than all the other forms of renewable energy production. That we WILL NEED.

John Ward's Conscience
Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:52:00 GMT
Re: Running Out of Fossil Fuels.

Well that made no sense whatsoever. I'll keep saying it in the vain hope that you'll actually give me a source...give me a source!