I am absolutely amazed that local Councillors are sitting on the fence when it comes to speaking out against this proposal. My position is quite clear with regard to this development "there is no way that it is appropriate for this area". Come on, Parish, Town , District and County Councillors at least voice your views the community is entitle to know where you stand after all they look to you for advice and leadership.

Doug Rodwell

Hemingby

Exactly we have a right to know how our local councillors feel about these turbines. There seems to be a complete black hole of information out there. We are being kept in the dark WHY

Have we all noticed the "ON THE FENCE TYPES" ?? seems to be a lot of them about lately! The on the on the fence brigade must be a dream come true for windfarm companies,they are usually INACTIVE which is exactly what these companies want .By the time they make thier minds up it will be too late!.

Yes I am on the fence and proud of it, this is a sign that I have the diligence to investigate the pros and cons of situations before I jump onto the ignorant band wagon of being afraid of the unknown and more concerned about my own little niche than what is happening in the wider world!

I appreciate that there will be impacts upon all of our lives if this development proceeds and careful considerations must be made to ensure that these developments are beneficial but I am intelligent enough to realise that with out drastic alterations in our power production the world as we know it will be irreversibly changed and scarred forever!

As for being a developers dream well that is just rubbish, if I decide that the evidence exists for me to truly oppose this project then I will have the relevant, substantiated research to make their lives hell, and until I am in possession of said facts I will not be bullied or cajoled into objection by those of you operating on knee jerk reactions and if any thing an opposition group with as unreasoned objections as some of these posted on here are in fact the true wind farm developers dream!!

Hi Greg.

I'd firstly like to ask why you have to be quite sarcastic to anyone who expresses an opinion that may be different to yours? Whilst this site is obviously against the turbines,it also states at the top of the page that it welcomes input of any nature regarding the subject. Surely the people who are 'sitting on the fence' are those who you should be trying to recruit to your cause and not be pushing them away with negative/sarcastic comments. I found you had the same tone in your reply to me a few weeks ago. At least Melvin seemed to give the impression he was more helpful and would be more approachable should I wish to discuss anything further in making my mind up regarding the turbines.

Also,do you or any BWAG member have any comment on the Entrag booklet received this week which was delivered to households in Baumber as there is nothing on here yet regarding the info. that was in it. Is it all a pack of lies and to be disregarded or is the booklet truthful in any way? I'd like to know which side is actually giving solid,truthful,factual information as there are many differences in what your saying and what they're saying. Surely you can see that it is confusing for those who are still 'sitting on their fences'???

Wasn,t meant to be sarcastic mate! This planning application is moving quickly now,so just trying to get more people involved,it happened at Conisholme,these things were up and running in a very short space of time,there are many un happy people down there, but its all now too late-they,ve got them down there for up to 25 years,please accept my apologies but i just don,t think enough people are taking this thing seriously enough.

How quick is this running then? Do we have any idea when a planning application will be made? And, if approved, when will the wind farm be built?

Hi Oakworth.

According to the booklet that was delivered to me by Entrag,they are holding a public consultation exhibition in Baumber village hall on the 14/05/08 between 3PM-8PM where there are going to be members of Entrag UK to answer queries and discuss issues regarding the development.

All the data for the Environmental statement is to be collected from now until the end of Aug'08. I think this is all available in more detail online??? It also lists some of the organisations and groups that they are holding consultations with.

People have until 31st August 2008 to submit their comments etc. to Entrag UK either by telephone,fax,e-mail or website. According to the booklet,property price issues do not constitute a valid objection to any planning application that they submit.

They have a flow chart showing major activities in the back of the booklet; planning application will be prepared and submitted during Nov'08 and planning permission will either be granted or refused during March'09.

It doesn't state when the turbines will be built if they get the go-ahead but I guess they won't be long after that date?

If it gets refused,I suppose they will go to appeal,which I know can take serveral months.

I hope I have answered your queries successfully.

Yellowbelly, many thanks, not a rseident so wasn't aware of their timeline. As Greg said that is very quick from scoping to planning application. Once the application has gone in then the decision has to be made within a set period otherwise the energy company can appeal against 'non-determination'. Build time is seldom less than 12 months after the decision, particularly as there is a delay in getting hold of turbines due to demand.

In reply to Yellow belly... I have received a copy of Enertrags Publicity Brochure and I sincerely hope that you and all concerned tif your interested, thoroughly research the 'FACTS' stated in this publication... We are in the process of evaluating all of the data and where we have issues with it we will challenge it.

As to your statement 'knee jerk reactions'... I, and others are quite within their rights to take a view on wether they wish to have these turbines imposed on us.

I responded to your post on the 16/03 @ 11.00 suggesting I meet with you to openly discuss these issues that invitation still stands..

In my welcoming statement I also clearly stated that this site was provided for the flow of information and encouraged those viewing it to do their own research and provide reasoned responses... I hope you do not

consider my objections are based on knee jerk reactions.... Re: your argument on property prices .I already have in writing proof, that local property has already been devalued and will continue to be affected.....

Melvin

Hi Melvin.

Just to say that I have not said anything regarding your group having made 'knee-jerk reactions'. This statement was made by someone under the name of 'on the fence',so I'm not sure why your having a go at me about that??? And there was me yesterday in my message to Greg saying that you seemed to be the more approachable one!!! I think I was just a little hasty in making that statement.

I am level-headed enough to respect that you and your group have your views and others have theirs. I have never stated that you shouldn't speak your mind regarding the subject...that's everyones' right-whether they are for,against or somewhere in between. If you think that is what I meant at any point,then I'm sorry but you have obviously drawn the wrong conclusion regarding what I've said.

As for property prices...the only things I've said regarding this is what I put this morning in my reply to 'Oakworth' which was only that Entrags' brouchure stated that property prices do not count as an objection against a planning application in the case of wind turbines. Also,in my original statement on 16/03/08 all I put was that all everyone seemed to be worried about was property prices and money more than health issues.

I am in no way back-tracking; my comments are on here for all to see. I know what I've said and what I haven't said.

I await my apology Melvin.

There's nothing unusual in prpoerty prices not counting in planning objections. Someone built a huge house on land close to my home last year and the same applied.

In answer to yellow belly.....

I must say I missed your answer to greg earlier on in this dialogue and I am pleased that you acknowledged

my desire to guide this capaign with well researched and reasoned objections.

That is why I deliberately stated in my welcome message that i want to win our case by people being able to make up their own minds and doing if necessary their own research.

I did in fact answer part of your query to greg re Enertrag's publicity document and I will state again we are looking at this. It was only sent round a few days ago.

I would also like to state that I and others are spending a substantial amount of our time, energy along with our money to getting this campaign up and running. We are committing ourselves freely to provide information and a platform to move the campaign forward. We have had to move fast to counter a underhand planning process that has not, apart from our efforts, given the residents in the area a voice and the facility to express that voice. We were here 1st we didnt ask enertrag to come here, there was no consultation before the contract was signed.. no debate before the scoping enquiry was passed by ELDC and no real consultation before the mast was put up... Ask the people of Wispington how they feel... All this needs to be put into context of where we are now...

If Enertrag are so proud of there turbines why did they not consult before any of this started.... Speak to the people in conisholme, ask the question why are there ove 150 protest groups around the country, why did the vale of Beviuor people object, I could go on... I am not in this to have arguments with fellow residents but I was unhappy with the comments .. 'those of you operating on a knee jerk reaction' & 'jumping on an ignorant band waggon'..

If I did not completely follow your thread completely, then stand corrected... I have however spent many hours on this campaign and looking at many issues, speaking to many people as well as collating and evaluating a great deal of information and I may make a slight slip up ... maybe I should have sat on the fence sic.....

My offer still stands, I would like to meet you, I dont know who you are.. I have been totally up front and made myself

totally available, incidently whilst running 2 businesses of my own...

Regards Melvin

Having been the one that started this particular thread I thought i ought to make clear that the category of people i was requesting to "stand up and be counted" were local councillors. This was in response to a question which was put to the local District Councillor who when asked " where do you stand on this issue"? Replied, and i quote " i'm not allowed to have an opinion i'm a councillor". Well i'm a local councillor and and also a resident and i do have an opinion. I also know that our job is to truly represent the electorate and if you don't want to do that, dont stand.

One other thing i know for sure, is if you lived in Wales and this type of development was proposed then the first thing the Energy Company would have to do is to set aside a sum of money which would compensate any losses suffered by residents as a result of the development whether property value reduction or other. Strangely Enertrag who claim to be concerned about local areas around their developments have not made such an offer maybe because England does not have this legislation. However, one wonders whether an honourable company would not do this on a voluntary basis.

I am not a sit on the fencer I'm a "go for it".

You are being rediculous arguing against something that, inevitably, is going to happen anyway.

Would you rather have a windfarm or a nuclear power plant in your back garden?

Think about the future generations.

Havn't seen any plans for a nuclear power station,a coal fired power station, a waste plant,a land fill site,a tesco car park,a motorway,a by-pass,an eco town, a new prison, ........the only thing we are concerned about is the inapropriate siting of a huge electricity generating wind farm.There is certainly no inevitability about it,ask the residents of villages in the Belvoir Valley,Laughton near Gainsborough,Orby near Skegness,Isle of Lewis etc,etc.They stood up and defended what was important to them,which in a democracy like ours is far more important than any misguided,politicised energy policy.

What are you talking about?! Of course it's inevitable! Just cause you might not be around to see it doesn't mean it's not inevitable! By the time you're dead and buried England's gonna have to be so packed with turbines we'll crash into (what's left of) America! Whether we're causing Global Warming or not, the fossil fuels are still running out, people like you will stop nuclear power, solar pannels won't be enough on their own and so every square fricking mile is gonna be covered in them! Try giving a damn about the future that you're obviously too blind to see and start trying to help the world to be a better place before you die!

So sad you guys have resorted to stupid comments .. or is all this tosh because you cant offer any reasonable intelligent responses.

Lets repeat some truths again, incase you learn to read...

we are for saving the planet, we are for renewable energy, we are concerned about polar bears, flooding and potential global warming, although there is new research that states, as sun spots are declining we may not have global warming after all.

We know Enertrag's funding is looking dodgy, we know 8 turbines 1,000's of tons of concrete the cardon foot prints to build the turbines are negative. We know Enertrag arent interested about long term green energy production but just a fast buck.. we know the government and others have cottoned to the fact that the wind turbine industry has taken a big slice of dosh from the development funds for other more enviromently friendly technologies. And also the roc system of funding is expensive & wasteful and is propping up the wind farm industry, without this the investors will head for the hills..... So dear terry's gravy trains is about to be derailed ,wot not fat bonus, terry your four x four unaffordable... sucks get a push bike kiddie...

We aint got a smelly turkey farm here or a old empty airfield or a grotty telecoms mast...

Terry go & do what i suggested before & get a job promoting offshore wind farms, still your little troopers will no doubt try to shout down this message again.. perhaps BWAG will post it on the front page or put a big sign up so you can read it next wed when you try & sell you discredited junk.....

and as for you other idiots we will not give up or be stop protesting, because you cant see your being totally mislead by the wrong arguments and 8 turbines in baumber are a total NO NO NO NO, or terry are you planning 10 or maybe trying to slip a few more in.. stop wasting your employers & investors money go & get a boat & sail away

OFF SHORE

Interesting, so you don't want cheaper Electricity then? Have fun with that, along with the rest of inflation.

I am guessing that this 'Terry' is the person who sold the land for these Wind Turbines.

Can I just say 2 more things:

1) They are not ugly, Shall we build a Nuclear Power Plant instead? or I know! More coal stations!

2) They emit less noise pollution than other choices, and these are bigger so even less (inverse relationship.)

Intriged why do you keep coming up with the same old statements about nuclear power stations... there will never be a nuclear power station in baumber. You obviously havent really looked into the costs that are being loaded on to electricity bills to subsidise Enertrag and the wind power industry. Let me spell it out again...

The land based turbines do not produce enough power to be viable .. the only way they can be funded is, (as is the case at the moment) they are heavily subsidised, or electricity prices go even higher... THEY DONT PRODUCE CHEAP ELECTRICITY.

The advantage of the off shore turbines is that although the initial costs of building them are higher they produce approx 7 times more power. They are bigger and the wind is more constant at sea than on land.

Enertrag have already admitted that this site is marginal, in terms of enery production, that is why they want to dump second hand turbines here, that where built to go offshore, but are not required because the larger turbines have replaced them.

That is why they wont specify which turbines they intend to try & dump on us, because they are trying to hoodwink us.....................

but terry your little scam is up. I say again stop wasting your time here go and promote off shore turbines.

The problem with offshore wind farms, is they are unsafe, and are more likely to malfunction. And since the North Sea is the busiest sea in the world in terms of boats per square mile, this can be a real problem. They are more expensive to build, maintain and then decomission. That is why they propose wind farms inland instead. But then, you don't care about that, you only want to complain because you want everything to stay as it is.

Firstly, This is my first here, so how can I keep on saying the same things?

Secondly do I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU?

WIND TURBINES PRODUCE ENOUGH ENERGY TO CANCEL OUT BUILDING COSTS FAST ENOUGH FOR NO-ONE TO CARE IN THE LONG TERM, ONCE IT'S PAYED OFF, THEN WE GET CHEAPER ELECTRICITY. OK. GOT THAT?

Phew. People these days, huh?

Also, if these are the taller versions, then they will produce more electricity than normal ones.

(Oh do you want proof of this, well studies have shown that for everty ten metres up wind speed can increase by 20% and power output by 34%).

No you are totally wrong ...... you dont understand the way this energy is funded or subsidised.

You are assuming certain things by your last statement which are totally incorrect

you need to do your research....... IT DOES NOT PRODUCE CHEAP electricty

what you are talking about are the profits the energy company realises after the turbines are built they keep that profit

we pay for it in higher energy bills sorry intriged you are totally and utterly wrong

Once the wind farm has produced electricity at the market price, sufficient enough to cover the cost of the wind farm, the electricity is FREE from then on, as there is no fuel needed, and little or no maintanance required. So yes, at first the electricity will not be cheap, but in the long term, it will be incredibly cheap.

You should actually ask someone who lives near wind turbines and uses their electricity. Try Skegness. they have ridiculously cheap energy prices due to the rather large fact they cost virtually nothing to maintain.!!!!

Don't forget that fuel is free...

Yes, unless of course the government put a tax on Wind.

So let's recap.

Wind is free.

So Free Fuel generates electricity. Seems cheap to me.

Lets not forget that the extra height will generate more electricity from this free fuel.

Yes, there will be subisidies to pay for the installation and a tiny amount for the little maintenance, but once those cost have been covered, it's cheap electricity.

You can live in your little cocoon where change is bad and everything costs the life out of us even cheap electricity whilst we're revelling with cheaper bills. Good luck with that tactic Sea Wind.

mmm no one has received a reduction in their electricty bills You produce a bill that has been reduced & post on this site the name and address and account no for it to be verified sunshine

Sea Wind, the reason we haven't had a reduction yet, is the fact they haven't been built yet! (Duh!).

or if I'm not being pedantic, I believe that Skegness recieves quite a bit of energy generated by Wind Farms, and they have cheapers bill. Sunshine.

So here we have it Intrigued now has authority to determine the UK's Electricity prices...

He or she thinks Skegness has cheap elecricity & the uk will have cheap electricity once the Baumber

wind farm is built mmm I havent see any pigs flying yet but it may happen...

Perhaps Intrigued you would like to confirm if you are currently paying electricity bills

mean while you really do need to do your home work phone up any electricity provider and ask them if they will give you cheap electricity if they can re route the proportion of power the wind farm will produce to your home....

even if wind power is not cheaper than other forms of power generation, it soon will be; you are not complaining that it is more expensive, so I can only assume it is the same price. Yet, the price of coal and oil will rise dramatically over the next decade or so, above the rate of inflation, while wind pwoer will remain the same.

you are assuming it will....

you are assuming it will....

--- sea wind(guest) 

it's hard for it not to isnt it....as supply for non-renewable stays constant and demand increases surely the price of the product would increase, making the electricity we use more expensive in comparison to the greener energy which would be available to us in a few years time

so your suggesting we must accept the decimation of the countryside here that will be blighted by this industrialisation

on the chance that according to you, we might be promised cheaper electricity..

You are asking a hell of a lot from the people's whose's lives will be changed, to pay a staggering price....

As we keep saying and will continue to say, Wind power generation has a contribution to make to the overal mix of power generation, although you are unlikely to get more that 28% power generation per turbine, provided they are placed in the right location, i.e off shore or no nearer that 2-3 miles from any homes.

Its not about the renewable debate its, Location Location Location

We used to have an RAF runway every few miles during WW2 using a hugh amount of concrete and we had railway lines running all over the county through the countryside with steam trains billowing out smoke into the atmosphere. There was also Wragby Plastics factory until it closed recently and Merrells canning factory in Bardney.

My point is that there has been industry here in the county in various forms over the decades and it has served its purpose and time has evolved leaving very little evidence that these forms were ever there(except for abit of old track and some old concrete runway here and there).

We already have industrial forms within afew miles of the proposed site...the gas turbines at Hatton,Omex at Bardney,many factories in Horncastle,the RAF base at Coningsby and the sugarbeet factory(no longer in use for

processing sugarbeet)at Bardney to name but afew. There was never an issue when these were put up and they are just accepted amnd we drive past them without thinking about it.

Whilst BWAG says it favours the turbines being put out at sea,they can still be clearly seen from just outside Hagworthingham...does this not count as blighting the view of the countryside? and does noone care about the views of people living out at the coast? We have heard very little from the people living in the seaside areas where there are already turbines in place. I've visited several of the coastal town and I haven't seen one single sign saying 'No Wind Farm'.

According to the recent poll in the Horncastle News, 75% of people would buy a house near wind turbines,so surely this shows the home owners that are living in the area of the proposed site that there would still be plenty of buyers for their houses should they wish to move if the turbines go ahead,which I know has been a fear for many people locally.

The wind turbines start to work at wind speeds of 6mph and they stop working at 46mph. The ones near Louth were going round quite quickly when we went past them the other weekend but the ones out at Croft and the ones out at sea weren't moving at all. On this occasion,the ones further inland were the ones that seemed to deem themselves as viable. I suppose this all varies from one day to the next though? I have been past the ones at Croft twice and have yet to see them going around at all and it does seem alittle strange that there are just 2 turbines placed there when there are such alot going up just down the road out at sea.

I get the gist of what your saying and thank you for your comments. However I have to say I disagree.

It sounds all well & good ,so are you advocating we allow the countryside to be built over, turned in to industrial parks and un fettered housing estates. Maybe there are people who would like to live near 400 feet turbines, but I dont think actually 75% of people would. If I personally wanted to live by a turbine, I would move near one, but I choose to live here. Just because there are other developments ie Hatton & so on it doesnt mean that we should just accept any thing that happens to come our way. It all comes down to whether you value what you have now and in the future for other generations, or are you going to throw it away because someone wants to make money. ( And no the save the planet argument does not stack up)

No... There are places for turbines I say not here... Call me what you like it will make no difference ....

But there does come a time .... (if you have the guts ) to stand up and say no.....

There are very few people locally who live within close distance to the proposed turbines who want them here given free choice, I even suspect if the farmer and his family really knew the facts, they will want to continue to live here if they are built either.

wow, you're right.........

Yes, instead, lets build them in other places, where they become other people's problems. That's much better, because then it won't affect us. Hey, I know, so we don't ruin the views let's build them in London, where there IS no countryside to spoil.

best out at sea mate

best out at sea mate

--- sea wind(guest) 

.... where they cost considerably more.

Maybe there are people who would like to live near 400 feet turbines, but I dont think actually 75% of people would. If I personally wanted to live by a turbine, I would move near one, but I choose to live here.

--- Melvin(guest) 

Then move. Crikey, it hard to work that one out.

Btw, 400 feet, is what? about 150m? These wind turbines are over 700m from any housing areas.

"there is no way that it is appropriate for this area".

--- dougr1944 

Neither are your signs

YES TO WINDFARMS

... OK.

Despite the fact I agree with you, I have to point out that was a bit off-topic.

Darn. I can't think of anything on-topic now. I'll just re-iterate my new catchy catchphrase. Off-shore costs more. That hopefully deter sea-wind posting after me.

Havn't seen any plans for a nuclear power station,a coal fired power station, a waste plant,a land fill site,a tesco car park,a motorway,a by-pass,an eco town, a new prison, ........the only thing we are concerned about is the inapropriate siting of a huge electricity generating wind farm.There is certainly no inevitability about it,ask the residents of villages in the Belvoir Valley,Laughton near Gainsborough,Orby near Skegness,Isle of Lewis etc,etc.They stood up and defended what was important to them,which in a democracy like ours is far more important than any misguided,politicised energy policy.

--- Greg(guest) 

If anyone's misguided mate its you. Time to wake up to the wider world. Also, can you explain to me where an 'appropriate' siting of a wind farm might be?- Given that they will form an essential part of the UK energy mix in coming years. Even when you put these things out at sea we get NIMBY's like you complaining. As for inevitability, my guess is that 'your crowd' will start complaining so painfully to the governement that energy is too expensive (a bit like we have seen lately x100) that public pressure will force these types of proposals to be 'streamlined' and built regardless. By this point however you'll probably have changed faced and will be asking what took them so long.

Although building the turbines may not be to the wish of some of the small minority located in the immediate vicinity, I think the needs of the wider community need to be considered, and this probably explains why some council officials aren't backing the opposition campaign as strongly as some might have hoped. Unfortunately England isn't made up of areas with no population, so where ever the turbine is placed it is inevitable that it will evoke some local opposition. Having visited the ECOTRCITY turbines at Swaffham, Norfolk, I think they fit in very well with the urban surroundings. Placing turbines offsure is an option, but it is more expensive, so I think it’s beneficial to locate as many as possible on onsure locations with suitable geographic features to collect the wind, in areas of non outstanding natural beauty, and affecting the minimum number of people. I'd rather live near a wind farm than a nuclear or coal fired power station; the electricity needs to be made some how.

As someone who grew up in this area (I lived in Minting from aged 4 until age 18), I have a lots of very fond memories of the place. It is an area of the country with an austere beauty, that, although it may not compete with the Lake Districts and the Cotswolds of our country, certainly has it's own character.

It seems that a lot of the argument against the turbines centres around the ruination of the unspoiled, rural landscape. This argument, though, seems to me, somewhat churlish. The landscape of this area is a product, not of natural processes, but of the effects of centuries of well managed farming. The natural, unspoiled landscape of such fertile soil as covers the area is not hedgeless farms, but forest.

However, this misses the point. The evidence for the need for new forms of energy is all around us, the price of petrol, the price of electricity, these all point to a paradigm shift in the economies of the planet. Moving away from fossil fuels is not something we can choose to do, it is being forced upon us, due to the fact that such resources are finite, and through the intensity of our consumption, we have torn through the vast majority of them in a century.

The only means to sustain our way of life, built upon this consumption, is to embrace new technologies to replace the non-renewable resources that we have squandered. This will involve some hard choices.

One of those choices faces you here in Baumber. The siting of these windmills may not be to everyone's taste, but it is essential that, if wind power is to be a successful partial replacement to the hydrocarbon economy, that it's centres of production be dispersed. The energy loss through transport of power is enormous, and if wind power is to be utilised, all stops must be pulled to make it as efficient as possible. This area is one that has a sparse population and a good reliability of wind, it is an excellent candidate for one of these dispersed stations.

Finally, the health argument: there is no reliable evidence to support the assertion that wind turbines are bad for your health. Don't forget that when Stephenson built the rocket, many refused to travel on it, because it was believed that the vibrations caused by travelling faster than a stagecoach would destroy a human body. The same was also said when man was trying to break the sound barrier......

there are a lot of people now using this site to fight FOR wind farms. i also heard people were going around taking down BWAG signs? you'll find a huge teenager/young generation following for windfarms i'm afraid!

the echo said that 75% of people would buy a house near to a wind turbine. i myself have BEEN to a wind turbine site in yorkshire and it SOUNDS like waves on a shore, so i suggest you people protesting against noise visit one yourselves.

i realise some have lived here a long time but these changes in technology are necessary and HAVE to happen somewhere. suggesting they are built offshore is contradicting yourself because it will essentially cost more than if they were built in land. also it's extremely selfish to just pass it on to another village so it's someone elses problem that's unbelievable.

the INITIAL cost of erecting the turbine could create a rise in costs. but whoever it was that said electricity prices in skegness have decreased since the erection of their off-shore site was correct, their bills have gone down! the initial building costs will cause an increase but this will be across lincolnshire not only surrounding villages so get over that. it happens. just as the cost in petrol has gone up, just as the cost of LIVING has gone up. it happens. however after this initial rise once the turbine is built it starts to sustain itself. the fantastic thing is that it takes minimal maintenance and can be left to it's own devices almost. and once it's set up, it costs little or no more whether it works like clappers or it only works a little. either way is going to in the long run reduce costs of energy (again, ask skegness) and balance itself out.

yes it means a strain on us NOW but lets not be selfish eh?

i love it that there are lots of people on here for windfarms. and i know a lot of them are teenagers like myself. i attend horncastle grammar school 6th form, and the majority of us there support it.

Not a bad argument schleprok, but I'm going out on a limb to suggest that you dont live in Baumber or near enough to the proposed farms to car about the poor old sods that will have to wake up to these things . Sure, they will help produce electricity, but they're not the bleedin London eye! I moved away a few years ago and will feel sorry for the locals if they do go up, there are plenty of places in the fens that are miles from any village!

I'm sure you wont need to worry about it when you leave to go to University though eh!

Not a bad argument schleprok, but I'm going out on a limb to suggest that you dont live in Baumber or near enough to the proposed farms to car about the poor old sods that will have to wake up to these things . Sure, they will help produce electricity, but they're not the bleedin London eye! I moved away a few years ago and will feel sorry for the locals if they do go up, there are plenty of places in the fens that are miles from any village!

I'm sure you wont need to worry about it when you leave to go to University though eh!

--- edwards12 

Can explain what you mean by, 'they're not the bleedin London Eye'?

Why would you feel sorry? Next to no noise from as little as 300m away. (DONT START WITH THE INAUDIBLE ARGUMENT! It can't be said it does cause illness and vice versa, so neither said can argue effectively there.)

I suppose you feel sorry for the people who can't accept change is needed and/or the people can't appreciate modern design? I personally think that Wind Turbines are pleasing to the eye.

and if it's tourism that you're worried about... then there wasn't any to begin with! In fact, the Wind Farm should put Baumber on the map!

Not a bad argument schleprok, but I'm going out on a limb to suggest that you dont live in Baumber or near enough to the proposed farms to car about the poor old sods that will have to wake up to these things . Sure, they will help produce electricity, but they're not the bleedin London eye! I moved away a few years ago and will feel sorry for the locals if they do go up, there are plenty of places in the fens that are miles from any village!

I'm sure you wont need to worry about it when you leave to go to University though eh!

--- edwards12 

Can explain what you mean by, 'they're not the bleedin London Eye'?

Why would you feel sorry? Next to no noise from as little as 300m away. (DONT START WITH THE INAUDIBLE ARGUMENT! It can't be said it does cause illness and vice versa, so neither said can argue effectively there.)

I suppose you feel sorry for the people who can't accept change is needed and/or the people can't appreciate modern design? I personally think that Wind Turbines are pleasing to the eye.

and if it's tourism that you're worried about... then there wasn't any to begin with! In fact, the Wind Farm should put Baumber on the map!

--- Derek(guest) 

actually, about the design of the wind turbines. I bet if they all looked like traditional windmills then everyone would absoloutely FINE with them, but now that they are about half the width of a windmill and look nothing like them people are suddenly complaining because they don't fit peoples idea of picturesque (sp?).

Tell me, if you all thought nuclear power stations looked wonderful, would it be a good idea to replace the wind turbines with them eh? After all its not like they can go into nuclear meltdown or anything...

Derek's right, people just can't accept the new modern and cuting edge design, they're all afraid of change....

derek dont you watch football .. wimbledon... are you obsessive i? t looks like your fixated with blogging on here..

you cant be convinced your for the monsters youve made your point ,try going on holiday, or move to conisholme then you can enjoy the turbines over there

doh.....

derek dont you watch football .. wimbledon... are you obsessive i? t looks like your fixated with blogging on here..

you cant be convinced your for the monsters youve made your point ,try going on holiday, or move to conisholme then you can enjoy the turbines over there

doh.....

--- derek havent you got anything better to do(guest) 

Oooohhh Soemones got their bitch on!

Even if he is obsessesive (sp?) both he and Objectivist Man are both owning all you asses

I also find the fact that you assume that just 'cause he's a man he must pass the time with sports highly stereotypical

derek dont you watch football .. wimbledon... are you obsessive i? t looks like your fixated with blogging on here..

you cant be convinced your for the monsters youve made your point ,try going on holiday, or move to conisholme then you can enjoy the turbines over there

doh.....

--- derek havent you got anything better to do(guest) 

I find the most Ironic thing here, is the fact you felt the NEED to go and post that!

Monsters? Wow, blatant misuse of personification there. Gentle Giants seems more appropriate. If you don't like them, move anywhere but conisholme, maybe you'll fit in with all the other people there. Just be careful you don't damage your cocoon.

Thank you.

P.S. Not like it's any of your business, I'm going out tomorrow... oh and a week later, I am going on holiday...

have a lovely holiday derek... will you have internet connection ?... if you havent youll miss posting stuff on here ahhh

have a lovely holiday derek... will you have internet connection ?... if you havent youll miss posting stuff on here ahhh

--- take u bucket and spade(guest) 

I'm sorry, was there a point to this post? It seems the sole purpose for your posting on this forum is to follow one particular member around in a manner strangely similar to that of a stalker and abuse them. Do you have some sort of thing for Derek or is it something else your not telling us?

have a lovely holiday derek... will you have internet connection ?... if you havent youll miss posting stuff on here ahhh

--- take u bucket and spade(guest) 

No I won't so I don't know where I will find daily source of proving people wrong...

Now we have it official... Derek is going on holiday, where there is no internet connection and he cant correct anyone

as he is all ways right... how are you going to manage derek? .. I know ,...perhaps when you come back you can apply for Gordons job ......he wont be around much longer.. seems like the government is struggling

Now we have it official... Derek is going on holiday, where there is no internet connection and he cant correct anyone

as he is all ways right... how are you going to manage derek? .. I know ,...perhaps when you come back you can apply for Gordons job ......he wont be around much longer.. seems like the government is struggling

--- derek is all ways right says derek(guest) 

TBH I would rather have Derek as the prime minister than Gordon Brown

Now we have it official... Derek is going on holiday, where there is no internet connection and he cant correct anyone

as he is all ways right... how are you going to manage derek? .. I know ,...perhaps when you come back you can apply for Gordons job ......he wont be around much longer.. seems like the government is struggling

--- derek is all ways right says derek(guest) 

And don't worry I'm sure there are plenty of people left at BWAG to mock and/or demean you ;)

Just to clarify

I am not always right

You lot are just often wrong.

Will you live with 700mtrs of these turbines derek ?

700 metres, NO ONE is within 700metres. So no.

700 metres, NO ONE is within 700metres. So no.

--- Derek(guest) 

are you sure have you detailed plans .....

700 metres, NO ONE is within 700metres. So no.

--- Derek(guest) 

are you sure have you detailed plans .....

--- are you sure(guest) 

700metres is less than 1km, which is the legal requirement for building wind turbines sites.

The petition this site advertises wants it to be 2km, which doesn't leave a lot of spots to build on.

Well derek, if you really were genuinely concerned about the location of the turbines and their proximity to residences

you would have done more research and found that there are other groups throughout the Uk and in other countries as well as even turbine manufacturers, that consider 2 kilometers to be a safe distance from receptors...

But then we suspect you are very familiar with that term arent you Derek ? .........

Well derek, if you really were genuinely concerned about the location of the turbines and their proximity to residences

you would have done more research and found that there are other groups throughout the Uk and in other countries as well as even turbine manufacturers, that consider 2 kilometers to be a safe distance from receptors...

But then we suspect you are very familiar with that term arent you Derek ? .........

--- sensible(guest) 

I never said they didn't... so that entire comment is pointless. I said that not many possible sites are more than 2km from ANY residence.

so derek its pointless to recommend a safe distance of 2 kilometers why ??????

you dont do something that is not recommended, just because it is inconvinent.. what ARE you saying.. that safety

doesnt count.. but doma does ???

and hey lets proceed any way, as long as your ok .. is that what your saying derek ???

is your true nature surfacing derek say yes to the turbines just because you have swallowed the yes wind mantra..

or are you paid to follow this line .... lets have the truth derek ?

Umm.. it's safe from one mile, hence the current sanctions were able to be passed!

I'm saying there are very few possible sites for Wind Turbines if they have to situated 2 miles from ANY residence... which means when the fossil fuels run out, that doesn't leave a lot of options does it?

So your saying you don't care about the children's futures then? Oooh, are your true motives surfacing he who can't stop changing his username.

so 8 turbines at the bottom of my garden are going to protect against the lack of electricity when fossil fuels run out. Or are 8 turbines just the tip of the iceburg. Do you want to see the whole of Lincs just one big wind farm. I am sure the windfarm companies do. There is a place for these monoliths and it is not just beyond my fence. It has not yet been proved that they are safe for human consumption and I do not want to be the experiment in progress. And yes I am thinking of my children when I make this statement.

Gah! Can someone actually read... I can't see why these site can't be here AS WELL AS other site and other forms of electricity...

Just to make it clear as well...I do not protest against off-shore... just having an offshore INSTEAD of this site and not AS WELL AS....

And HS, how far is this 'fence' from your house... you must have one very long garden.

Yes I have a very large garden, its called a farm. How far from my house 800m. How far do you live from a 125m wind turbine?

My name is Hilary, not HS Des

Over a mile, like it is in the legislation that companies have to abide to in order to erect wind farms.

Oh by the way. HS = Hilary Sandbach... it's your initials.

I am not a sit on the fencer I'm a "go for it".

You are being rediculous arguing against something that, inevitably, is going to happen anyway.

Would you rather have a windfarm or a nuclear power plant in your back garden?

Think about the future generations.

--- Samantha(guest) 

Firstly, I don't believe that I nor anyone else is being rediculous. Mainly due to the fact that it is not a word. If only you had used a spell check. And there will be no nuclear power station because they need a vast amount of water in close proximity in order to function. The sea normally works. And there is no sea on or near the proposed site. Oh dear. Perhaps you should have consulted the oracle of 'google' before you discuss things you don't fully understand.

wow, you're right.........

Yes, instead, lets build them in other places, where they become other people's problems. That's much better, because then it won't affect us. Hey, I know, so we don't ruin the views let's build them in London, where there IS no countryside to spoil.

--- Local Teenager(guest) 

GREAT idea! London is already an industrial nightmare. I vote London

Oh by the way. HS = Hilary Sandbach... it's your initials.

--- Derek(guest) 

<slow clap>

Hang on Derek, are you saying that 800 metres is over a mile? Um...no

800 metres is closer to half a mile, and four fifths of a kilometre (did anyone else like my merge of metric and imperial then? Any requests for distances in yards shall be honoured!). I still find it amazing that on this fun filled message board there are so many personal attacks, if I thought everyone posting on here was an adult I'd be highly worried. As it is, the majority of spelling on here is so terrible I'll be quite glad if global warming kills us all. Hopefully the ants will spell things properly.

Hang on Derek, are you saying that 800 metres is over a mile? Um...no

800 metres is closer to half a mile, and four fifths of a kilometre (did anyone else like my merge of metric and imperial then? Any requests for distances in yards shall be honoured!). I still find it amazing that on this fun filled message board there are so many personal attacks, if I thought everyone posting on here was an adult I'd be highly worried. As it is, the majority of spelling on here is so terrible I'll be quite glad if global warming kills us all. Hopefully the ants will spell things properly.

--- John Ward's Conscience(guest) 

No I'm saying that all major populated areas are over a mile, whilst the legislation is 800m....

No I'm saying that all major populated areas are over a mile, whilst the legislation is 800m....

--- Derek(guest) 

What legislation be this oh grand oracle of turbine knowledge?

Sorry, more of a guideline

to quote: the 800 metres ELDC suggest

legislation...guideline. let's not play with semantics shall we?