Hi.

I've read articles in the local paper and bits and pieces on this site regarding the hazards that wind turbines apparently pose to our health. I was wondering why noone in this group has mentioned our local primary school in the village of Baumber where many of the children from local villages attend. If these turbines are suppose to be so harmful,why has no concern been shown by BWAG? It seems that all we keep hearing about is how property will be de-valued. If this is the case and that is all that people are really worried about,people should really question their motives in my opinion.

Living here in the village of Baumber for 5 years now(and within a 3 mile radius all my life) I would like to say that for me,this village is far from peaceful!!! We have two very busy main roads running either side of Baumber and these are both very noisy;especially with the motorbikes in the summer who fly through here like their arses are on fire. We have a speed limit of 30mph but it is rare to see anyone stick to it. You may say what has this got to do with Wind Turbines??? noone in the village or the local villages have ever bothered to try and do anything about this and I'm left questioning again does anyone really care about our local community or are they happy to see our childrens' lives put at risk on their way to and from school? Don't even get me started on the litter which is regularly chucked around Baumber(the most recent being two carrier bags dumped up by the church of all places!!! Dog mess is also a major issue and spoils every route in the village for walkers. I just want to put accross that the village is neglected and is certainly not the perfect,peaceful setting that it is made out to be.

I also would like to say that the wildlife is in no way effected by the main roads and so I don't really see what difference wind turbines would make. We have grey squirrels,foxes,rabbits,hares,bats,birds(including a pair of hawks,greater spotted woodpeckers and a pair of barn owls which are seen on a regular basis). We have even had a deer very close to our property in the past!!! Wildlife is more at risk from the modern methods of farming than it would be from any wind turbine that may or may not be put up.

I would personally like Entrag to provide everyone in the area with FACTUAL information,as I feel that so far,all we've had is a negative,one-sided approach. It seems that at times,there is a game of chinese whispers going on with bits being added on and twisted around. I fully understand that there are many people in our local area who are 100% against these turbines but this whole topic is totally dividing our community,which is a real shame. I've ended up very confused. It started being about the effects in our area,then it was stated that people in Horncastle were going to be effected and now I've recently read that it will be everyone within 30 miles of the site,which will include the city of Lincoln. What is the actual truth?

On a recent trip to Mablethorpe,we stopped at the wind turbines there to see if we could hear any noise or feel any vibration but we found no evidence of either. The wind turbines were going around at a gentle pace. I'm now left confused by this also. When does the noise and vibration actually occur? Do they have to be going around at a certain speed? If so,what is it and how often is it likely to occur? From my visit on the occasion,it is certainly not 100% of the time.

I would also like to know if these wind turbines get the go-ahead,who will be connected to them? I have heard on the grapevine that it will be residents in Horncastle. Is this true?

I don't really know if I'm actually for or against wind turbines as a whole. I have to agree that they are very big things but if I was faced with having to choose between a landfill site,a nuclear power plant or a string of electricity pylons,I know which I would choose.

I do know that I vote in favour of greener energy,as I would like to think that it is not only better for our planet but will benefit my kids future and the future generations of my family.

Thanks for your input 100% Yellowbelly. You raise several important issues ,some of your comments about as dog mess and litter are problems that should be addressed by our local council and indeed our Parish council ,Bwags concern is primarily to stop the siting of unproven technology on our doorstep ,not broader social problems.Yes you have a point about the possible threat to young childrens health at our local primary school,bearing in mind that we have only been formed for three weeks we are only just starting put our message out.The potemtial health risks posed by these wind turbines are only just beginning to come to the fore and i can assure you that there are some very serious ,well documented cases being investigated right now.What are you saying then ? your quite prpared to take the risk with these things being sited so close to human habitatation ,including a primary school? you seem to be contradicting your own thinking. The way i see it is that most of the population are being brainwashed into thinking that everything with a "green" tag is taken as gospel truth when in reality some of it is pure spin.Tell me-why should Baumber carry the can (ie diving propert prices ,health risks,community division etc),for a failed government energy policy?. Thanks Greg

Well yellow belly, I would be very happy to meet with you and spend time explaining the case against wind farms.

The turbines at mablethorpe are actually 1/2 the size (@ 60 metres) of the ones proposed here (@ 125 mtres). To give you some idea of the size, If you have travelled across the Humber Bridge and passed next to the main pillars from the road up, @ 130 metres, they are only 5 metres shorter. The wind span of a jumbo jet is approximately 60metres, the turbine blades are 45 metres each giving an overal span of 90 metres. There will be no benefit to the local community. Enertrag will make in pure profit of approx £500,000 per annum per Turbine x = £8m after 4-5 yrs (Sunday Times 27/01/2008 Jonathan Leake) We don't know what income Chase Farm will get, will any be forth coming to the village ?

We are receiving consistent reports of studies on the detrimental effects on receptor's, (i.e people like you and me ) health. Enertrag have stated in their submission to ELDC, that they are not going to carry out any tests on the impact of the noise. There real problem however, is the low frequency noise that itsnt immediately obvious. This can cause dizzyness, migraines, makes people feel sick, affects sleep patterns etc.., & has cause people to have to leave their homes. (we have information on studies on the site).... When I first read the Horncastle News on the 21/11/2008 informing me of the plans for the turbines, like you I was in the dark. I wasn't consulted & I live oposite chase farm, the contract was signed in secrecy, the application for the mast was rushed through with no consultation with the village, during December & was agreed on the 07/01/2008. Baumber Parish Council as I understand didnt really have time to respond. However, since that time the more information I have seen on the impact of these turbines the more concerned I and many others have become.

I could give you much more information..Please take time to look at the evidence on this site and I or any member of BWAG will be happy to discuss all of these issues in greater detail. We are prepare to stand up and raise the issues,

PS Enertrag have stated that the turbines will be visable from the local houses, YES they will impact on the whole area, they will be seen for at least 30 miles. You and I can see LIncoln Cathedral which is approx 22 miles away these turbines are way higher than that.....

I also share your concern re speeding motorists especially down Farmers Row. I have even been nearly knocked down by a car towing another car with no lights on at night.... that doesnt mean I have to let this development proceed without doing anything... As a result of this situation I do intend to spend some of my time on local issues in the future....

Thank you for taking the time to look at the site and I hope I have answered some of your queries...

Melvin

sorry i miss typed the income figures quoted for Enertrag £500,000 pa per turbine x 8 = £4m profit per annum reported. These figures quoted from Sunday Times 28/01/2008

Once more I feel I need to intervene! I have read the report's required for a wind farm to gain planning permission and noise is an important requirement , if Enertrag fail to carry out suitable noise studies then they will be rejected! so that isnt one of our concerns! I have been travelling for work and have taken notice of a few of these developments and thus far I have been unable to hear any noise and the roads running next to the sites create more vibrations, I have visited Burton Latimer and Hadyard Hill both of these have turbines over 100m and yes they are large and visible, I actually was able to speak with a guy walking his dog at the midlands site and he said that thus far there hadnt been any issues in the area that he was aware of, he didnt know how long they had been up for as he had only just moved there!

There is alot of information available about low frequency noise or infra sound and problems between this and wind turbines has been recently discredited, as has vibration linked illness from turbines, I think we need to be aware to check the date of resource we read on the net and consider its bias!

I also contacted Enertrag to find out what studies they were doing for the site, and wild life, visual and noise are all included.

Sorry was also wondering why financial things had come up, personally any helath issues or or noise pollution is a concern of mine, what the company is making isnt! as for the farmer with the current crisis facing the industry nobody can blame him for trying to diversify and survive.

Please can you specify which research has been discredited with regards to noise & vibration with full references

Thank you

With regards to the financial issues ... you need to examine more closely the basis on which the turbines are funded, the potential return to the energy company and the true cost to us the tax payer... There is plenty information contained within this site and the press.

I am for any farmer seeking to diversify , but does it have to impact on his close neighbours so much ?

I am also not against profit, but consider we all have a wider responsibility to each other and the wider community and can discharge this in a number of ways. I know many successful business people do genuinely care to do this. Its called social conscience.....

Hi the papers on noise and ultra sound can be found on the DTI website,

sorry i miss typed the income figures quoted for Enertrag £500,000 pa per turbine x 8 = £4m profit per annum reported. These figures quoted from Sunday Times 28/01/2008

--- Melvin 

Hi yellowbelly,

You are certainy right to be sceptical about the information you are given, we must try to make an informed decision based on objective information and it is for this very reason that we must treat Enertrag's statements with extreme caution. You picked up on the fact that how much profit Enertrag would make from this scheme is not relevant to the argument, this is true, but the fact that they intend to make a profit means that they have a vested interest in the plan succeeding and so their information cannot be considered to be objective. I have spent many, many hours trawling the internet for information pertaining to wind farms and would refer you to a study by B.J.Frey BA, MA and P.J.Haddon Bsc, Frics, which concludes that wind farms should be sited a minimum of 2km from habitation due to the health problems caused by audible aerodynamic noise and inaudible amplitude modulation. Furthermore there has been an exhaustive study in Portugal where amplitude modulation has been linked to vibroacoustic disease ( source - windwatch). The French Academy of Medicine recommends siting 1.5km away from habitation as does the U.K. Noise Association.

However, the single most damning piece of evidence on wind turbine noise comes from a source whose only vested interest is to sell wind turbines. The company is Retexo, based in Germany, and on their website, which has been designed to sell turbines to companies such as Enertrag, it unequivocally states that turbines should be sited a minimum of 2km from habitation. We have to ask ourselves why they would say this if it was perfectly safe to place a turbine a mere 700m from peoples homes, the only conclusion is, of course, that it isn't safe.

Please remember one thing, nobody connected with bwag has any vested interest in this development not going ahead, we will be no richer, healthier or happier, we will simply have that which we have now.

Kind regards, Gary.

There is only one way anyone can make an informed decision on this issue and that is to visit a site that is already operating. Enertrag have now been operating a wind farm at North Pickenham (Near Swaffham, Norfolk) for over a year. The site is the same model as the one that is being proposed at Baumber e.g. Turbine height, spacing from residential property, number of turbines etc. I would also encourage anyone who thinks the turbines are noisy and likely to cause health issues to knock on a few doors and ask the local residents what issues they have had over the last year.

Arrangements to access the site can be made directly with me

Terry Chapelhow

Enertrag UK Ltd

01379 642564

Terry,nipping over to North Pickenham for a couple of hours to marvel at these wonders of modern engineering for a few hours is not quite the same as having to live alongside them for 25 years or more.Baumber may indeed be the same"model"on paper,but the natural terrain and landscape are very different ,as are the location of residential properties(sorry -"receptors") in the surrounding villages, comparing one location "like for like"to another is totally irrelevent.I don,t think North Pickenham will be an issue as far as Baumber is concerned during the planning application ,do you?.Each and every site proposed for any major industrial planning application is as far as i,m aware decided on it own individual merits.Maybe you could send us an email via this site showing the exact location of your wind turbines in relation to N.Pickenham and surrounding area so that we can indeed make up our own minds rather than having to spend time money on making a 160 mile round trip. Terry ,on a more personal note,how far away do you live from a wind turbine? Thanks Greg.

Terry,

what have MOD said about this site? It must be visible to Coningsby radar. Given their long track record of objecting to similar schemes they must have serious concerns about the impact your site will have on the safety of aircraft in the area?

Enertrag are keen to answer questions regarding the wind farm proposal and expect to reply to any enquiry within 10 days. These questions and responses are summarised within the environmental statement. Unfortunately questions that are asked anonymously cannot be included for obvious reasons and we do require a name and address to validate them. Please use the link on our web page (www.enertraguk.com) to send in your questions or email direct to me at tchapelhow@enertraguk.com.

Terry Chapelhow

EnertragUK

Hi Terry, My question, how far do you live from a wind turbine. If you live close to one, and only then, are you qualified to tell me that the next 25 years of my life stuck with 3 of them 1000m from my house is going to be absolute bliss.

Hilary Sandbach

this is not an unsolicited email, your office has already replied to me, so you have my name and address

The proposed wind turbines will create a visual impact but there is very little evidence that they create harm to the local wildlife aswell as noise pollution. With the comment regarding the passover of raf aircraft, have you not thought that the aircraft prone to be more of a hazard than the wind turbines? the aircraft will sometimes go through the sound barrier and make very loud noises which startle the wildlife and even humans, along with the fact that aircraft are more likely to fail than wind turbines. With the increasing price of fossil fuels especially petrol which effects us all the government are having to increase investment into renewable energy to keep the public happy aswell as the UN which have set goals for us to meet so we have to create wind farms so i would like to say to the baumber people what would u prefer wind turbines or a nuclear power plant?? i believe a power plant may be a bit more hazardous to the area

University Student, sorry but I have to disagree with most of what you say. For the record I'm pro-windfarms but whichever side of the argument you are on let's at least deal in facts rather than throwaway comments. With respect to wildlife, there can be and is an impact which is why RSPB are consultees. On the aviation issue, firstly it is extremely rare for an aircraft to break the sound barrier overland (it's not allowed), and as far as I'm aware a sonic boom doesn't lead to birds dropping dead within a given radius (in a perverse sort of way it would be quite funny if it did). Wind turbines are visble to radar and infact can be mistaken for aircraft. As a result they pose a very real threat to aviation safety which is why so many wind farm applications are held up due to the impact on aviation.

I agree with the creation of the wind farm i mean i would personally rather have a wind farm rather than any other type of renewable energy resource. Wind farms seem the most viable for the area which is why they are proposed to be built there. But if they appear on radar as an aircraft they arent moving and once they are built they can easily be shown on radar and avoided. I personally agree with them i will hopefully be taking my 3rd year dissertation project on wind farms being built in and around lincolnshire which will hopefully give some answers

ohhh dear university student you had better go & do some more home work you appear to know very about all the issues surrounding on shore wind power stations......

you appear to know very about all the issues surrounding on shore wind power stations......

--- anon 

this doesnt make sense i will happily reply when u learn to speak proper english

errr Dear University Student what is gramatically incorrect with my comment, I would be grateful to be educated... please let us know ?

However, you appear to know very little about on shore wind power stations.... I would have thought as you have studied this method of power generation, that you would have been aware that the correct definition of a group of turbines operating together on one site, connected to the national grid, is not a coal, gas or nuclear power station, but a WIND POWER STATION; and the fact it is on shore, it is therefore an Onshore Wind Power Station.

Also to enlighten you, (and the readers of this posting) some more, this is an INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT in the heart of the countryside. If it goes ahead it will change the planning classification of this land, from Agricultural to Industrial and therefore by default will open up the possibility of additional Industrial Development.

I hope you were able to read and understand this and maybe add it to your research notes.....

just a quick note, leave the university student alone, out of all of you he is actually researching various arguments for and against the case rather than just trying to drag up unsubstantiated rubbish that supports your NIMBY anti views, I have previously worked in the renewable industry and can tell you that they are called wind farms! wind power stations is employed by anti groups in an atteampt to tarnish proposals!

Also there is nothing unique or different about agricultural land and is of reletively low biodiversity in comparison to some ecosystems, and there is plenty of it round.

FYI agriculture/Framing is an industry!

There is also plenty of sea around,so why do do we have to have to be stuck with 8 pathetic land based wind turbines ? take a visit to Skegness and see what a proper offshore "windfarm" should look like. If you worked in the renewables sector i would have thought that you would be in favour of large scale offshore windfarms as opposed to smaller ,marginal land based sites that take years to get through the planning sytem and are without doubt a BLOT on the landscape,that reason alone justifies local opposition,but of course there are many other very serious issues being raised as regards enviro and health issues so i suggest that caution is excersised when joining the clammer for land based wind turbines in areas near any form of human habitation whether it be residential or work based.

i would like to thank in the know at least someone is backing me up. it is true the local people in the community wherevery the wind farms are set up always have the nimby idea. i would like to learn more about ure job in teh renewable energy business and any information that i could use for my third year dissertation please send to snez12002@hotmail.co.uk

With reference to gregs post it is the government that have decided to invest money into both offshore and inland windfarms. Take for instance holland which has alot of wind turbines out at sea due to a large amount of the population of Holland live on or near the coast so the energy produced doesnt have far to travel before it is used whereas which the case of England if all wind farms were situated out at sea then the electricity produced will have along way to travel therefore the creation of these wind turbines would not be viable. Lincolnshire is and area with humans and great landscape but im afraid to say renewable enrgy comes before the environment if fossil fuels ran out tomorrow would you rather look at a landscape or be able to go to work? Lincolnshire seems the ideal place to situate wind farms many other areas are too over populated and appeals will be far large than anything that Lincolnshire could come up with so im afraid to say we are going to be stuck with them wether u like it or not

Thank you for your input,this is what this site is all about,i respect your views ,even though i disagree with them,however, this is the crux of the issue-ask yourself why locals always resist these developments, are they all as you put it nimbies? i think not.When you have been around as long as me and seen the way multi nationals and indeed governments manipulate the population to suit their own ideals then i think you will indeed see why many people view this type of energy development as nothing more than sequestration of the countryside by cohersion.On face value it seems a good idea,but as the infamous American philosopher Richard Weaver said ' Ideas have consequences' the consequences of this development will not make the tiniest bit of difference to climate change,but they will make a huge difference the quality of peoples lives for 25+ years. Keep posting,young input to this blog required. Thanks.Greg.

I think you will find that in general it is NIMBY ideas that lead to a local minority of loud objection to these projects, if this proposal was occuring 20miles away would you be objecting to the proposal? you will now attempt to justify how it is not a minority and you have such and such amount of people supporting you but this will be still a small % in the scheme of things and half of which wouldnt object or sign with out be encouraged or cajuled into by the extremely small amount of people that disagree strongly.

As for the amount of power these turbines will produce, well they produce more than the power used by all those who are effected by the development so.............?

so?..... our views on this are poles apart ,and will probably remain that way,the fact is that this industrial development is coming to us ,not 'us' going to it' ' in a rural location.You obviously don,t appreciate the countryside in its present form as most of the local population do. Why don,t you start your own pro windfarm group and actively campaign for it then? and have the courage of your convictions and start your own website,launch a group ,canvass local opinion, put a few pro windfarm signs up on your own property.That would seem a logical ,fair and democratic course of action to take would it not? If i wanted to live in a an industrlalised region then i would move to somewhere like Immingham or Scunthorpe,but at the moment i don,t really feel the need.Greg.

Enertrag will be holding at least two public exhibitions in Baumber prior to any planning application.. As a professional company the information that is displayed at those exhibitions can always by verified by third party sources. The first exhibition date has been advertised locally but if anyone has not received a consultation document please don’t hesitate to ring Enertrag on 01379 642564 or contact us through www.enertraguk.com. Staff from Enertrag will be available to answer questions.

I have previously stated that if you want to judge this issue for yourself then the best way to do that is to visit our wind farm a North Pickenham. An influential number of open minded people around Baumber and also from other sites we have proposed have already taken the initiative to do this, very few have left with the same opinion they had before they visited. If you would like to visit North Pickenham then please call on the above number.

Our North Pickenham site has now been operational for approximately 15 months. During that time we have constantly been in dialogue with the local community. I would suggest that if anyone has serious concerns about this site then they talk to the residents of North Pickenham and ask for their view.

Terry Chapelhow

Enertrag UK Ltd

Well Well Terry,, Things must be getting desparate for you... We have seen your 'Professional Brochure' and you were hoping that people would buy your comments.... now your touting your monstrosities dumped on North Pickenham on this site...

I think the local paper down there ran an article 'ENERTRAG DECLARES WAR ON NORFOLK' mm so there was no opposition and you want us to buy your plans.. Well in case you havent noticed ,there isnt a dis used airfield or a Turkey Farm ,or an Ugly Mast here and to compare North Pickenham with here, where there is open rolling farm land within 1- 2 mile of the AONB, plus many other natural features, as well as the Historic town of Horncastle does appear to show any appreciation of this area at all but what do you care you dont live here.

Now lets consider a few other verifiable facts Dear Terry ,your 8 turbines aint gonna save the planet.. you havent got any where near like a monopoly on this... We also care about saving the planet probably more than you personally do ?

As you are aware there is a Government Review on The Economics of Renewable Energy and included in the remit of the Select Committee ie Section 6, There is a specific mention and I quote 'How do the externat costs of renewable generation of electricity - such as concerning many affected rural areas that wind farmsand extra pylons spoil area of natural beauty, compared with those of fossil fuels and nuclear power ? Is the planning system striking the right balance between all the considerations ? You dont want a review Terry do you especially as there is also growing concern at how your little projects are funded though the ROC system ?... Along with using up funds that have been argued could be used to develop other renewable technologies...

AND if this isnt bad enough Terry the off shore developments are begining to come on stream ...

The electricity generating out put of those turbines make yours look pathetic...

Are your backers getting worried ? I bet they are when the returns your hoping for maybe are looking a bit dodgy......

No terry why dont you consider this ... perhaps at long last your (land based wind farms) little gravy train is running out of steam....

Might I suggest you gain employment promoting off shore turbines or sell solar powered systems ..if that is too technical for you, retrain to be a plumber installing enery efficent condensing boilers or if thats beyond you become a double glazing sales man.....

The futures bright the futures ....OFF SHORE WIND TURBINES......

Look, let's be honest, no-one here has a degree in these matters, and you are ignoring the one person on the site who hasn't just read stuff on biased websites and think they now know it all. I agree whole heartedly with University Student and request that people stop having a go at him/her. The only thing we know is that they are going to be really big (and I say this as someone who will have it very near my house). Despite the numerous forthcoming protestations to the contrary, there is no proof of turbines causing depression or illness - simply non-scientific ramblings of those who live near them and suffer from the hysteria of having such large "potentially dangerous" things near their house. The "noise" caused by the turbines is of such low frequency it may even be considered ultrasound - which is impossible for humans, the majority of other mammals and birds to hear or even feel the effects of. I admit this is only GCSE/A Level knowledge however, it seems even at this basic level to disprove many of the "truths" preached by the biased majority of the population who think "Oh no! They're so ugly! If we make our reasons sound scientific so they won't build them!" (sorry if that last part sounded childish however, I feel that it needed to be said).

What about the kids in our local community? Try listening to them! How many of us kids who live around here have you asked, not pressured them to sign a petition or bombarded them with "facts" before asking "But what do you think?", I mean actually asked and listened to the response. No offense, but quite a few of you may not live to see the fossil fuels run out, but we will. If being able to survive and keeping the environment safe means in twenty years time having every available patch of land covered in turbines, every coast rigged up to collect wave energy and every house with solar pannels sellotaped to the roof means having to start small then so be it. You are thinking about this the wrong way, you think this is the council singling you out, this is really just a chance to be part of something BIG!

In any case, I hope you have listened to what I've said instead of just going "But QEGS Student we have to think about us and the present..." and thinking I'm too young to understand, because I'm just trying to think about the future, MY future. Thank you for reading.

Thank-you QEGS student, you said pretty much everything. However, just to add a little to your comment; electricity is generated by turning a coil of wires inside a magnetic field. To turn the coils, you need an input of kinetic energy - movement energy - such as the rotating blades on the proposed wind turbines. However, as can be found throughout this site, wind turbines turn very slowly and generate little power. Although this may appear to be bad, it means that there is less energy to be converted to sound waves, so in fact wind turbines create less noise pollution than any other form of power generation, as the parts move slower. I have also read that the turbines proposed at Baumber will be bigger than normal, in which case the wavelength of the sound waves produced should be much larger than those of the normal size - that is, that they will make less noise.

I would also suggest that, if the government fails to produce more wind farms, such as the proposed one at Baumber, taxes will be raised on other sources of fuel, most notably petrol and diesel, to compensate.

I am not a believer in global warming; I very much disagree with the basic principles; but I still consider it useful to rely on a wide range of power sources, and I especially believe power should be renewable for at least centuries to come, if not forever. Until we discover a new power source which is clean, reliable and cheap, such as controlled fusion, we will have to use wind, water, nuclear and solar power, despite the small inconvenience to a few locals.

I'm sorry you fail to accept my point, but you'll get over it.

~another QEGS Student.

I'm also agreeing with qegs student, he is thoroughly right, none of us have a degree is this matter, but all claim to know everything about this topic. but whilst very few amungst us actually do; so surely whilst we can all pass opinions on this topic we can all refrain to with hold are masterminded-ness about this topic because very few of us know too much about it...

Yours faithfully, the Qegs student in a blazer and tie

p.s. excuse my english grammar it's atrocious

very well said, my english is also really bad, but let's not divulge from the main topic. the possible wind farms would benefit the children of the local area more so than they'd be depremental; as whilst we may live with a relative level of quality, what of those amungst us that aren't? surely they require cheaper energy to allow for a better quality of life

Thank-you everyone who has supported my comment! (Incidentally qegs student, I'm a girl :P)

***SUPPORT THE CAUSE!***

heh, I know who you are...

is that truly relevant who we are?

and i know who you are also 'local teenager'

but yes the wind farm will affect us in a good way rather than the adverse affects which the people proposing the arguement to the wind farm have thought out. as surely those with families struggling to cover their electricity bills and the current house reposession going on then surely cheaper electricity would be better for the children of this and next generation. in the way that whilst they may struggle to cover the costs at the moment, then their families will struggle perhaps more so in the next decade, when the price of oil, gas and fossil fuels' prices will increase beyond a point where there's not much point in using them anymore.

Funny, isn't it?

This topic was created over concerns over the local kids, but about 6 of us have replied to the topic, and all of us support the wind farms. Hopefully you'll learn something from this, but I doubt it. Oh well, it's not like you're affecting anyone's futures or anything....... hmmmmmm........

YES TO WINDFARMS

'Karma', you're really annoying.

Well Well Terry,, Things must be getting desparate for you... We have seen your 'Professional Brochure' and you were hoping that people would buy your comments.... now your touting your monstrosities dumped on North Pickenham on this site...

I think the local paper down there ran an article 'ENERTRAG DECLARES WAR ON NORFOLK' mm so there was no opposition and you want us to buy your plans.. Well in case you havent noticed ,there isnt a dis used airfield or a Turkey Farm ,or an Ugly Mast here and to compare North Pickenham with here, where there is open rolling farm land within 1- 2 mile of the AONB, plus many other natural features, as well as the Historic town of Horncastle does appear to show any appreciation of this area at all but what do you care you dont live here.

Now lets consider a few other verifiable facts Dear Terry ,your 8 turbines aint gonna save the planet.. you havent got any where near like a monopoly on this... We also care about saving the planet probably more than you personally do ?

As you are aware there is a Government Review on The Economics of Renewable Energy and included in the remit of the Select Committee ie Section 6, There is a specific mention and I quote 'How do the externat costs of renewable generation of electricity - such as concerning many affected rural areas that wind farmsand extra pylons spoil area of natural beauty, compared with those of fossil fuels and nuclear power ? Is the planning system striking the right balance between all the considerations ? You dont want a review Terry do you especially as there is also growing concern at how your little projects are funded though the ROC system ?... Along with using up funds that have been argued could be used to develop other renewable technologies...

AND if this isnt bad enough Terry the off shore developments are begining to come on stream ...

The electricity generating out put of those turbines make yours look pathetic...

Are your backers getting worried ? I bet they are when the returns your hoping for maybe are looking a bit dodgy......

No terry why dont you consider this ... perhaps at long last your (land based wind farms) little gravy train is running out of steam....

Might I suggest you gain employment promoting off shore turbines or sell solar powered systems ..if that is too technical for you, retrain to be a plumber installing enery efficent condensing boilers or if thats beyond you become a double glazing sales man.....

The futures bright the futures ....OFF SHORE WIND TURBINES......

--- Sea Wind(guest) 

A very concise, factually correct, to the point and100% non-bias response there from Sea Wind.... Welcome to amateurville.

Might I suggest you gain employment promoting off shore turbines or sell solar powered systems ..if that is too technical for you, retrain to be a plumber installing enery efficent condensing boilers or if thats beyond you become a double glazing sales man.....

The futures bright the futures ....OFF SHORE WIND TURBINES......

--- Sea Wind(guest) 

Might I suggest that Sea Wind gains experince in producing a well considered objection to the proposed wind farm, hence contributing to this debate, rather than this rabbid, pig ignorant and stultifyingly ill informed gob-shite. Thank you.

100% yellowbelly you are a genius and maybe the only person on this site looking at it from both sides. you are correct in saying that baumber is not a quiet village, that they have bigger issues AND in suggesting green energy is the right choice for the future.

your comparison of nuclear power plant or wind turbine is the choice we have.

i would like to say to the baumber people what would u prefer wind turbines or a nuclear power plant?? i believe a power plant may be a bit more hazardous to the area

--- universitystudent 

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. I'm sorry. I just articulated the screaming that is going on in my head. Clearly you have chosen the author name of 'university student' in an attempt to convince us all of your intelligence and knowledge. Unfortunately for you, however, the comments you made in your post only proved to demonstrate utter idiocy. I wish that I had a pound for every fool who asked the people affected if they would prefer a nuclear power station. I would be obscenely rich. Can i PLEASE state CATEGORICALLY that there will NEVER, EVER EVER EVER (I could go on but I am sure that with your university education you get the idea) be a nuclear power station in Baumber or the surrounding area. Want to know how I can be so arrogantly sure? Nuclear power stations need a vast amount of water near them in order to function, so a location near the sea is preferable. You can trust my integrity when I say that there is no sea in Baumber. There is no sea in Wispington. And just in case you were wondering, there is no sea in Minting. Please can this be the last of these infuriating claims. This is not an either or situation, we were not approached with the line 'So residents, nuclear power station or wind farm? Fancy a landfill site or a bypass?'. This situation has arisen out of the selfishness of few at the expense of many. This has nothing to do with environmental accolades or hippy agendas to save the planet. This has to do with money. No science included.

your comparison of nuclear power plant or wind turbine is the choice we have.

--- think about it(guest) 

What? What? What? Please. My blood pressure. This is our choice? What now? Oh of course, I remember voting, and of course, I ticked 'wind farm'. Who would want a nuclear power station 700 metres away from their home? I am actually screaming. We have no choice. You know when Great Britain get nil points at Eurovision? It is like that. We were not consulted with a bashful sales man; 'So, you after some wind turbines? Are you sure? Better than a nuclear power station eh? Brilliant. I'll book you in for 8'. For the love of god and all that is holy PLEASE stop this. It pains me physically. There will never be a nuclear power station in this area. I can barely muster the will to explain why to any more people. I am so very tired. Google it. Educate yourself. Open new horizons. Go crazy. Just STOP saying that a nuclear power station is the alternative. Because it is just not.

Of course a nuclear power plant isn't the answer. With so much water obviously kicking around this site it should be a hydrodam surely?